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After 2 weeks each for TSP 1P-R 1.5 and Destroyer OX, I found out that I played better with Dest OX. I could keep it low and land anywhere I want
TSP 1.5 is a Rocket !!! Maybe I don't have the right technique...the chopped ball really"Fly" fast!! and often out of the table. Dest OX gives me more margin of error.
And I feel that, when chop, Dest OX gives heavier underspin.

I kinda reluctant to use Dest Bcoz most pros use TSP so it gotta have something really good!!! Still not sure what to use as a main weapon!!!!

What I want to know is
1. Do I play better bcoz OX VS 1.5 or Destroyer VS TSP 1P-r.
2. If I use Dest 1.5 VS TSP 1P-R OX.....what's the likely result.(intent to find out soon)....I plan to try Saviga OX (some say it's similar to Destroyer)then put 1.2 sponge underneath Saviga V.
Anyone have played these 2? Please share.

Thanks in advance.

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Well 1.5mm and OX are pretty much extremes. I've tried some rubbers in 1mm and has trouble controlling them, then going to 0.6mm was MUCH easier to control...

TSP 1PR is also one that's known to be quite hard to control, wheras destroyer is supposed to be not that hard to control...

So you might find something with a thin sponge (0.6mm) may work for you...

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> TSP 1P-R - OX & 1.5 & 0.5

You've a big enough collection to check it out.

Greg Letts is using Destroyer OX -- must be the time of year...

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The TSP is pretty difficult to play with. a little mistake and balls pop up or go long or wrong direction.
Plus I get more spin reversal from Dest.
I didn't mention : I use TSP on Dr.N firewall plus(ALL+) and Dest on Hurricane 2 classic(ALL)

If I go by feeling now, I'll use Dest but WHY?????? the pros use TSP 1P-R?
TSP OX and 0.5 feel pretty much the same.....1.5 is not for me, dangerous not to my opp but to me.

the back side(the sheet base, of TSP is kinda harder and easier to glue or take sponge off......Dest is soft, curled when glue and can't take sponge off.

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Cool thanks. Could I ask then how do OX and 0.5 versions of Curl P1-R compare with Destroyer.

Sorry to keep on about this but you're right I'm curious why on the pro-stage TSP is so big. Is it just that they are using an uncontrollable rubber that takes a long time to master. Part of it of course is wrapped up in sponsorship deals and every pro needs sponsorship.

I play TSP Curl Bamboo and like it, but there is not enough grip in the pips to do any sort of drive/loop type attack. It feels like frictionless but it isn't.

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OX and 0.5 versions of Curl P1-R compare with Destroyer?
FYI - I used the same sheet of TSP and put 0.5 and 1.5 underneath it when I wanna try it.
TSP on Dr.N firewall plus - Dest on DHS Hurricane classsic #2. Firewall plus has a harder outer ply, faster.

Return serve - TSP good / Dest - great as I can hit it harder(slower) so I can add some spin on the ball if I want and it's easy to keep low.

Chop - TSP is OK, sometimes I try to chop heavy but it floats/no spin and when I want to float ....guess what? it's heavy underspin. In short, 20% I don't know what kind of ball I give my opp. When out of position - TSP kills me, ball is high and out of where I want. Most important it's fast, I can't chop VERY hard.
Dest is soft and slow with consistency underspin, unlikely to float(unless I want to). I can push short ball hard with good spin. When I'm in form, I could control low, fast ball to the end line to pressure my opp. Or keep it low and float then wait for no spin push.

But all of above comparison come from diff blade so might not really accurate. I'll try Saviga V OX(consider Destroyer's cousin) with Dr.N on Monday night.

Blocking - Both are good, not great.
Lifting - Dest is better.

So ...to me, Dest is a perfect LP to me but WHY no pro one use it?????????

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Yes I believe that is the case. I've heard that it's one of the hardest to control, but you can generate good spin with it and decent attacks...Globe 979 is supposed to be up there too...although the pros would not use them...not sponsorship money....

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Here is an interesting posts from YATTP on myTT hwich might answer your question Mathias. He's not a LP player but seems to have a very good grasp on the rubber since he plays with other LP players:

The long pimple from Globe 979 is also very good especially good for blocking and attacking. I know 1 very good defender who loves this one. You can't create the same amount of backspin on you own though, but unless you are really good this shouldn't matter to you. The problem with the Chinese LP are that the quality varies from month to month. If you look for something cheep or if you aren't that good, try the long pimple from globe. It has some nasty effects and is much better for blocking than curlP1r or feint long 3.

Friendship 755 is the ideal "beginner's" long pimple. It is not dangerous for your opponent but it is very easy to control. As you are an experienced player you should try something more dangerous. The question is what you want exactly. The most dangerous long pimple, i.e. the long pimple with the highest potential to create your own spin (this is what you need to have if you are a defensive player away from the table on a higher level) are TSP Curl P1R and Butterfly Feint Long III (3) (feint long 2 is for long pimple attackers and is not grippy enough to create much of you own backspin) You will find that these pimples have very soft and very grippy pimples with a soft sponge in order to create you own backspin. Both are not easy to play at all but they are the ones that all high level defenders I know use. You must use a sponge (probably 0.6mm is too thin and I'd try 1,5mm instead) in order to change the spin to your liking (=underspin and no spin chops). This is very important for classical defenders. Some people use speed glue and 2,2mm sponge. This adds some nasty effects to your chopping game but the most important aspect is that if you are far away from the table and you want to create maximum backspin i.e. you put most of the power in horizontal direction underneath the ball and only a very small part of the power goes into forward direction. IF your material is too slow you can't do that because the ball will be slowed down too much and it will be too short (the closer the chops are to the end of the table the better). This is the reason why many high class defenders use rather fast equipment. Another important aspect is the "spin conservation". You conserve the topspin of your opponent and add some more of your own underspin to it. This effect is best with no sponge and super hard blade surface, but as I said above this is no option if you are too far away from the table. Still the harder the blade surface - even with a thick sponge - the more spin conversion you will get. I hope this helps.
PS: Friendship 837 or DHS C8 are also OK for defense but they don't come close to the 2 long pimples I mentioned above in terms of the ability to create you own spin and this is what really matters if you play on a higher level. The TSP is extremely durable and lasts extremely long (I don't know about feint long 3, but feint long 3 is easier to play than TSP curl p1r so I'd try feint long 3. Good luck.

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Oh yeah. I tried 1.5 TSP and ................failed.
Finally, I think TSP is good for those pro-level. My Destroyer is good enough to knock lot of not-too-good players off balance.

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