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Bogeyhunter

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Posted: 05 Feb 2007, 05:58

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4th game. He kinda upset with mixed up spin at this point.
I gave(invited) him a lot of high but heavy underpin (to his FH!!!)but he didn't try to attack hard(missed a ton in the first 3 games) I won 3-2

Vs LP attacking chopper. I like to float to him and he'll just pop up. He's not getting use to play against LP. He won 3-2. He said he felt like playing with himself in a younger version.

I used Destroyer OX in both clips.

Vs Traditional defender. Dr.N Super block + Tack Chop.
I used TSP+ Firewall plus
I had trouble dealing with SB sometimes it pop, some it heavy. He didn't really attack so I didn't worry much giving him high to his BH but I didn't want to loop coz it came back CRAZY!!!
This guy won 3-2....I was 0-2 down then 2-2 but came short.
The week after this game, I won 3-1 with Destroyer.

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Diabolosyl

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Posted: 05 Feb 2007, 07:26

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Quite difficult for me to estimate the level you are but these videos are nice.

On the last one I see the same problems as I sometimes have: just slow topspin with less spin against the SB waiting the food ball to hit...

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Mathias

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Posted: 05 Feb 2007, 07:27

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Thanks, that was good. You've a mighty forehand loop.

The last guy was good (SB user of course!). He's too far away from the table though to be effectively using SB - needs to change to something like Scalpel - saying that didn't do badly at all particularly controlling it from that distance. If he learnt to use a soft pip he'd be pretty good from that distance. The weakness here was the failiure to twiddle - again if he'd learn a soft pip then he'd be good.

I liked one of the the rallies where you hit your opponent out of the court.

Against SB why not loop and loop long pips onto his forehand, i.e. reverse the backspin?

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Bogeyhunter

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Posted: 05 Feb 2007, 12:35

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"Against SB why not loop and loop long pips onto his forehand, i.e. reverse the backspin?"
You mean ...using LP to loop? I tried 2-3 times, didn't work well.

Against the last guy...when he chops my loop, the ball comeback REALLY WACKY!!! Had no answer for that. I just rolled it to his BH and wait till he hit it high and I try to flat-kill it to FH, I used this tactic the next time I played him and won 3-1. And his FH push is ALWAYS HEAVY.

One rule, more of a guide, of estimating games from video...keep in mind that you don't feel/see the real speed and spin(spin is really something that watching doesn't tell at all) of the ball. Someone told me to add 300-400(in US rating) to what to think.

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Bogeyhunter

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Posted: 05 Feb 2007, 12:38

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Diabolosyl wrote:

On the last one I see the same problems as I sometimes have: just slow topspin with less spin against the SB waiting the food ball to hit...

Yeah...I hate SB. Impossible to know it's spin...gotta be patient.

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kineticexplorer

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Posted: 05 Feb 2007, 14:47

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Hi Bogeyhunter

Nice videos.

A few observations on the SB player. It may help if you serve and loop more to his FH. I am not sure if you did serve any to his FH during the set. I would like to see how he reacts if you serve to his FH, then loop his return to his FH as well.

IMHO his FH and BH chops do not look too orthodox to me. His FH chops looked vulnerable and are likely to be inconsistent. His FH attacks are also fairly limited in variety and effectiveness. You did not have any problems with his service. In short, he scored mainly off your mistakes. He has a tendency to want to use his SB even when shots are going towards his FH (no surprise in itself). I would attack his FH more, and also loop some down the middle because his BH chop is a short/limited BH action, with his hitting zone almost directly in front of him. What that usually means is that his angles and shot variations will be restricted. He also showed some hesitance in coming forward (not surprising for a chopper). When you draw him in with a drop shot, try to loop kill to his FH or down the middle.

Varying the placement of your serves can also be effective. For eg, serve short to his FH, BH or even in the middle. You can also mix up the serves by serving with your LP and your inverted using your FH or BH. Keep him guessing and take him out of his comfort zone.

I could be wrong but I suspect you were a bit wary of the SB, and looked more frustrated than in the other 2 games. Your composure was affected and you didn't play your usual game or re-strategise sufficiently. I am sure you were on your usual game when you beat him the week after. Hope this helps.

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Mathias

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Posted: 08 Feb 2007, 08:04

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kineticexplorer wrote:

I could be wrong but I suspect you were a bit wary of the SB, and looked more frustrated than in the other 2 games. Your composure was affected and you didn't play your usual game or re-strategise sufficiently. I am sure you were on your usual game when you beat him the week after. Hope this helps.

I agree with this. Looping against SB for an away from the table defender isn't that bad, you just have to compensate for the incoming backspin. Even sidespinning is ok. Chopping against SB is dangerous because of the incoming deviating effects, but otherwise it is a touch predictable.

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Bogeyhunter

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Posted: 08 Feb 2007, 14:41

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Here are greg's comments
Exactly what I want to know about my technique. Hope it helps everyone.

"Hi Bogeyhunter - I use Tango Def 1.2mm.

Couple of suggestions while I watch your video
* Be careful of stepping over with your right foot when chopping a backhand - it can put you out of position
*You tend to wait in a backhand position with your bat during the point (I tend to do the same if I lose focus) - this can restrict chances at hitting a forehand properly
* Some nice chops in there though"

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Bogeyhunter

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Posted: 23 Feb 2007, 17:31

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New video !!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK4n-fdB8DY
Using STP P1-R 0.5 mm.

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Mathias

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Posted: 24 Feb 2007, 08:11

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Decisive. Nice. Its not that the opponent was bad but your game was good.

One thing although you vary spin on the serve there's no variation in length.

A short (double bounce) serve is handy particularly against aggressive loopers to 'hem' them in - if they get the spin right they might win the point. Also a very long serve breaks the rhythm. Otherwise really good.

I recognize at pro-level why they don't vary the serve much - its about spin variation on double bounce serves, although you need great touch without a 'scoop' motion to keep this up.

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Bogeyhunter

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Posted: 24 Feb 2007, 08:35

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Thank for comments.
Add 3 more set.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8lkK0V9U-w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gchwlQqUnwo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slGmVPRsvM8
Is scoop = push far from table?

BTW. If you can, please rate my video and comment on youtube. My friend want to know how to improve his game too.

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Mathias

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Posted: 24 Feb 2007, 09:17

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No 'scoop' is a term I made up. Its when you chop the ball with an upwards motion. The most extreme example being the serve where the ball bounces once on your side, once on the opponents side and then again once on your side. To do that you need to chop with an 'upwards' motion. If the ball is hit with a very slight upwards motion it assists with the double bounce on a serve. Well thats the main way I do this, although I can do this with a pendulum serve (double bounce) I can't guarrentee the ball wouldn't drop over the edge of the able (where a looper can loop it). A pro of course guarrentees this every time.

Sorry sometimes I'll use a non-standard term to describe a stroke.

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Mathias

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Posted: 24 Feb 2007, 23:57

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Thanks like it. The shift from backspin defence to topspin block/ drive was certainly effective and there were loads of cute touch play shots, particularly involving the forehand block.

One of your friends problems is the sensativity of the inverted bh to backspin. Its not a new problem! I don't normally think about inverted players much, but the starting point has to be reading your chop stroke - colour of the rubber, how much spin is apparent, any forward motion in the chop (forward motion means float), the sound of the contact (float sounds heavier)... I guess the second issue is dealing with the sudden shift in pace and spin on an inverted block/ drive and thats really anticipation.

When I've a moment I'll pop some comments on youtube

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Bogeyhunter

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Posted: 27 Feb 2007, 00:54

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2 twiddle and 1 serve.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ0mMctVfhE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57akFYFUr3s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8TYp1LLwEU

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Diabolosyl

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Posted: 27 Feb 2007, 05:56

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Nice videos.

Tomorrow, I will try to upload an old one of me.

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