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I thought I'd create a new thread so that all can see and contribute on how well this new glue performs.

Since I'm sure a lot of people are interested in this, I've stickied this section to the top. As the the VOC glue ban has now become official, this is currently one of the few options available if you wish to continue gluing...

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I've just started testing this glue, and below are a series of steps and pictures of the process.

1. Impression of the glue:
The tins are similar to the those used for other long lasting glues (like Tibhar Rapid Clean Deluxe) and seal very well.
The glue looks whitish and is quite thick, a little thicker compared to my Tibhar RCD. The smell is not very strong, and certainly does not have the strong solvent smell. It reminds me a little of the kids glue for gluing paper and stuff together.

2. I figured the best way to test this glue was to test it on a rubber that I'm used to and know really. So the test are performed on a new sheet of Globe 999 National. Although normally before I speed glue a rubber I would prime it, but priming with normal glue or speed glue could affect the performance, so I decided not to prime, and accept that the performance may not be as good, or take a while for the rubber to peak...

3. Ok, here is a picture of the rubber unglued. Note it has a slight inwards dome. The plastic protection sheet is still on the rubber.




4. Ok, time to apply the glue. I shook the tin a little as recommend, and spread out a single brush-full of the glue over the sheet. I immediately noticed that I probably should have shook the bottle a lot more, since the white and transparant liquids had not mixed that well. I tried to mix it as well as I could on the rubber. You can see from the picture that some areas are still a little more whitish than other, but it's pretty good and hopefully won't affect the results too much. So NOTE: follow the instructions on the tin well, SHAKE before use!

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5. The instructions recommends a 6 hour period before the next layer. I decided to do 2 layers of glue, so that i could compare it to the 2 layers of Tibhar Rapid Clean Delux glue that I normally use. I didn't get around to looking at the sheet untill about 8 hours later, but this probably does not matter much since drying times were long anyway. So here is the sheet after 8 hours of drying:



The dome is quite good, at least as good as with my Tibhar glue, so i was quite impressed so far. The surface looked dry and felt sticky.

6. So I decided to put another layer on (as was the plan). I used a thinner layer this time since the dome was already pretty decent, but enough to wet the whole surface again.



7. Within minutes I could see the dome increasing again already. Since i was getting a little concerned to put too much stress on the topsheet with the plastic protection sheet still on, I decided to remove it. Well the dome increased by a fair more immediately, I was impressed! I started to wonder if the second coat may be necessary at all...



The sheet felt a lot more flexible already too, the inital stiffness of a new sheet seemed to have disappeared. Persuamable this was due to the combination of stretching and the softening of the sponge.

8. At this point I also needed to put glue on the blade, as it required 24h of drying before the rubber and blade should be put together. So I put a thin layer of the same glue on the blade.... At a later stage I'll experiment to see of normal glue can be used for this, as to save the use of the Falco glue:



To be continued 24h later...

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Great stuff! I'm looking forward to a report on how it feels and plays.

I've ordered this glue a few days ago elsewhere... before I noticed you started selling it. Doh!

I'm looking forward to trying it on sriver-el, which normally goes great with speed-glue.

Good (well sort of ), then you can share your experiences too. The sriver EL will be a good one to test it on, since it almost at the opposite spectrum of the Globe 999 Nat.

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Unfortunately you were not selling it when I ordered it last week--I'd much prefer to have a local supplier (assuming its any good)....

I'll happily give a review of it on sriver-el. I'm still waiting for it to show up though

Yes it only came in a few days ago... I'd been waiting inpatiently for it to turn up myself...been real keen to try it...

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You're right the ban is not yet official, although I know a lot of people that do regard it as official already... I'm interested in this stuff already, because I want to get used to a new glue well before the ban comes in...

If it works well it also means I CAN continue gluing... which is a huge bonus!

Yes the dome is real nice... looks promising!

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Another 8 hours later, here is what the rubber looked like:



The dome had not changed much, perhaps slightly more, the 2nd thin layer may not have made a lot of difference. The surface felt quite dry but very sticky.


The blade has dried a little around the edges, but still seemed fairly wet in the middle. The part that had dried didn't really feel sticky very much but might still be enough to get the job done.

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Ok, the next morning, another 10 hours later or so I inspected the rubber and blade... To my surprise the dome had gone down:



I can think of 2 likely reasons for this

1. The glue has made the rubber a lot more flexible and softer, so the sheet can no longer hold up the dome and has sagged down.

2. It's been 24 hours after I applied the second coat, and this coat was quite thin, possibly too thin, so the rubber has been left to dry too long, ie 36 hours since the initial thick layer, which is what it requires...



The sheet looks quite dry and is quite sticky, here is a closeup:





The blade surface has almost completely dried, but only feels very mildly sticky... hopefully it's enough. In a few spots it still looks a little wet, but it feels thick and sticky so it should be OK. The weather has been cold and humid, so drying conditions are far from ideal....

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Do you think it would be better to glue the blade earlier if this takes longer to dry?

Yes you might be right there, especially in cold and/or wet weather.

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Ok, time assemble the rubber and blade...

I put the rubber onto the blade and rolled it with a roller as usual. It stuck down very well, no trouble at all. The topsheet looked in perfect condition, and was not affected in any way by the glue.



Feeling the rubber on the bat, the sponge definitely felt a little softer, but not nearly as soft as my other rubber, which had been 'super primed' and had been glued about 4 times. I don't think it's a lot different to the first time I glue with my Tibhar RCD, it always takes a few gluing to soften it up...

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The first test run.....

I compared it side by side with an identical rubber and blade, the other rubber had been 'super primed' and had been glued up with Tibhar RCD glue 4 times before, so this was well and truely 'worn in', which should be taken into account...

Well the rubber certainly had a decent speed glue effect. My loops were a fair bit faster, and definitely spinnier too. I don't think it was quite as fast as my other rubber, but not that far off. I could not feel the ball dig in as much as my other rubber, but I WAS getting very good spin. It felt like I was getting more spin from the topsheet... the feel was just a little different, but not hard to adjust to.

What I did notice also was that it was louder than my other rubber. These Globe 999 Nat rubbers are fairly firm, and my blade fairly soft, so there is not normally a lot of sound (I'm referring to the the speed glue click sound), but this rubber with the Falco glue was definitely louder than with my Tibhar glue. This could well impress other players with soft sponged rubber...

The rubber did not feel a lot different to a new sheet that was glued with my Tibhar glue for the first time... so this is very encouraging.

All in all I was quite happy, and I'm confident that this glue will do the job when I decide to stop using VOC glues. I find the Globe 999 Nat too hard to control without glue, as some softening of the sponge and a bit of a stretch is required, which is exactly what glue does. Well the Falco glue certainly does this, and hopefully will get even better over the next 1 or 2 gluings...

Next I can do either 1 of 2 things..

1. Leave the rubber on the blade and see how long the effect lasts... and how it degrades, or

2. Take it off the blade and let it shrink back, and re-glue it again the next week (the effect will probably take a week to wear off), and see how it performs now that it's got some glue in the sponge, and has had a good stretch, which most Chinese rubbers require before they peak....

I'm leaning towards option 2, since I'm more interested to find out if the performance can improve, than how long it lasts, but I'm open to suggestions...

Priming the rubber with 1 or 2 thicker layers before use, and letting it have a good stretch, may well improve the performance as well, this is something else I'll have to investigate. If the performance of the rubber is significantly better the second time around, then priming is almost certainly the way to go....

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haggisv have you used Ecolo Expander II on the Globe 999 Nat?

How does the falco glued version of the rubber play in comparison to an EE II treated version of the rubber?

Cheers