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I thought you were new to LP. That's the way I tell all beginners to do.
I don't do it that way.

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Just some first impressions.
Razor plays a bit like like superblock on speed. It has all the range of strokes available with SB, but it has teeth too. You can attack, and you have enough bite to punch block. It is slower than C8 OX (I've only used SB, C8 and Razor in OX), but the difference between the block, chop block, punch block is much greater so for me is more useful.
Compared to leggy, the punch block needs more venom to work IMO. Also the strokes needed are pure frictionless LP strokes - coming from leggy it took a bit of adjustment. Attacking against chop was a totally different stroke.

You need to keep the bat moving forward and it works really well. Returns of serve are easy, I found placing the ball where I wanted it to go a dream.

Blocking against topspin was also fairly easy. On Leggy there is a real 'bite' and you need to keep the bat closed. With razor, all that was needed was to close the bat slightly from the upright and keep the bat going forward. Emergency 'static' blocks when I was caught out of position, tended to go high. Couldn't get the dropshot to work -kept hit the tape, but that was me not the rubber.

The only other thing of note is the size of the label area! On the primorac if you place the ball in the centre, you have one more one ballwidth and then you hit the label! I also noticed that this hasn't got a USAT logo, only ITTF and JTTF. If anyone is interested I'll do an update after a coupla weeks. IMO most rubber feels good after only one session, the holes appear later!

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Folks.
Be prepared to see my WORST vdo EVER!!!!! (But I had fun trying to use Razor in different ways)

Finally...had a chance to show the world how good (it's bad)I am at using LP. 30 mins before closing time, get a game with friend. I think I try to use Razor way too much....even hit with it on the right side of the table.
I'll post them later.
Note: I had trouble switching P1-R to Razor and to P1-R again.

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Just a quick update...

I used the Razor in a league match today. My team lost but I won my game. The last time I tried a frictionless pip (SB) I went 6 weeks without a win. I didn't feel at all vulnerable with this pip - I could attack the long, no spin or top spin serves people seem to send LP players. Not got everything under control yet, but the rubber is a good one, I'm certainly going to keep it for a 6 month trial...

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Yasaka Dynamix 17
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How does Razor go blocking fast loops? I understand control is good (as long as you adjust your blade angle slightly), but the harder the loop the more the ball will bend the pips and grip Razor's stickier pip sides. How much spin reveral occurs?

Can your opponent keep looping at you, unlike total frictionless where 3 loops is the absolute max even the very best player's can manage before the underspin is too great for them?

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As far as spin reversal goes bear in mind I've been playing with leggy for the past few months so in comparison it feels amazing. I didn't have a problem with the pips gripping, although I tend to block then chop block. I never try to give my opponent the same stroke. The guy I was playing 'looped two, pushed one' - but I'll know more in a few hours as I've a session with my regular playing partner and he's a non-stop looper. He takes pips as a challenge to his masculinity, so I'll report back. I sold my SB so I can't do a true comparison, although for me the range o fshots is important, the punch block, chopblock etc

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Ok, definitive answer now! May playing partner did 3 loops once in a whole morning. The rest two was the max, and that not easy. This was just against a fairly passive 'sticking the bat in the way' block. If the second block was a chop block, no way. IMO it is a tad less than SB. But if you are not keeping the bat moving forward, you need to close the blade more as the spin builds up.
Obviously you can't attack like you can with leggy, but you just need to decide where you want your compromises!

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Yasaka Dynamix 17
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Does AS use sponge and if so how thick?

Didn't catch this but is BH using sponge as well?

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THWONK! Clack clack....

(OX player doing Falkenberg)

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Yasaka Dynamix 17
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Thanks Julian,

I'm ordering a sheet today.

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My sheet of Razor arrived today & I'm startled by how grippy the pips are when you run your finger over them. The Virus is very, very, smooth by comparison. I haven't played with it yet but am surprised it's being marketed as "frictionless". Perhaps this rubber won't be effected by the ban if it eventuates.

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If you compare the feel of the logo area with the tip of the pip there is a huge difference. Why Ilike this pip is if you play a 'pull the bat back' dropshot, it behaves like a neubauer, then depending how hard you block you can manipulate the spin revesal, through to a no spin ball and then punch block with your spin if you want. Its not a 'stick the bat in the way' pip but it can be made to play in a way that approaches that. It will be banned becuase the pip friction isn't uniform throughout the pip - the sides are grippy

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OK, first impressions against the robot-

* This rubber is fast. I used to wonder if Solja A. is using a really fast blade or if she was just terrible at drop shots. Now it's clear- Razor is a fast rubber and quality drop shots require much more skill than I currently have (also more than Solja currently has).

* Compared to the l/p's I've used so far, this is the most difficult rubber to block with. My initial blocks against medium to fast loops went off the table or into the net. Once I managed to steady them a bit (thanks robot), they had little underspin unless I chop blocked, then it was good. I can block fast loops around the table much better with my inverted.

* Razor is absolutely wonderful to punch block with. Once you're safely above the net, there is HEAPS of directional control and it's easy to aim at a small target. This is a killer rubber for aggresive play against higher balls. To me this is the outstanding feature of Razor.

* The amount of underspin produced against topspin is partially determined by the speed with which you contact the ball (as Julian said). This will certainly be confusing for opponents- especially if you are hitting off the bounce giving them little time to read the ball. Now I can see why Solja A's opponents were having such a hard time reading the spin. (ie how hard was the contact during that side swipe compared to the punch or chop block she did to my last ball?) Very nice.

* Chopping nicely away from the table was more difficult than with the Virus, which is such an easy rubber to chop with. The speeds aren't all that different but Virus II gives consistant low flight paths, while Razor requires more skill to produce this. (Keep in mind I'm only a novice away-from-the-table chopper. Those with more skill here may well like Razor.)

Summary- stunning l/pip for aggresive above the table play. I've not tried the Monster, but I can't imagine it being any better than this. Even lobs are easy to be really aggressive with (for a l/p).
Razor is not so hot for the defensive minded however.

This is not the l/p I was personally looking for, but if I can find a way to tame it's speed I may be able to use it for my semi-defensive/all-round style. Because I'm using a Seemiller grip I don't need to be able to attack with my l/p's, unless it's just for sheer confusion.

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