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Against
1. Asgarali, Nazruddin 2258 (2286) MD
2. Abass, Larire Larry 2313 (2313) MD

I never won a set(3L of 3-0 = 0-9) against the second guy....thinking to attack more to prevent him attacking first. He always try to pull me to play close to the table(less time to take 2-3 step back and chop).

I really hate my FH push. It didn't look good.

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Great to have your videos posts back again BG!

I could only see 1 match there... The guy's a good looper, and the pimple did not seem to bother him too much since most of his attacks were to your backhand.

You greatest strengths i think are 1. your serves and 2. how well you mix up the game... you do that very well.

You block and counter attack with your LP quite well too... although I notice you tried to counter attack with your LP when you were away from the table a few times... which is not easy...

One thing I think you could work on is blocking and/or attacking his serves a bit more, even if it's just to mix it up more... Although you mixed up your chop returns well, his loops were very good and fast, which is where you lost a lot of points... still your were right in there against an obviously pretty good player.

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1? The first one finished at 10:30 then the next guy came to play ASAP.
Thank. Good to know my greatest strengths but I really want to know my greatest WEAKNESS. The main reason I post my VDO here coz I want to here some comments from ppl who play and know the same kind of game(tried of hearing very good 2 winged told me what to do....somethimes they have no idea.

Joo doesn't do FH push in the table, in short game much.....but I do a lot....I don't really know what is right or wrong.
Now I'm practicing
1. blocking weak loop to FH, to force opp not to make safe, high slow loop.....I want them to take risk. Doing well but still need a better percentage.
2. not to be in akward position, my right foot often be on my left side when I chop(like backhand in Tennis. Gregg told me once in my first VDO) .At that position, I can't loop FH...
3. Making my chop heavier. Maybe that's why I missed a lot. At this level, my chop is not heavy ENOUGH.

Haggisv(or anyone who want to help me), Can you help me with game plan to play against a guy whom I playd 2nd match? VDO started at 11:01. I don't know your level but I'm pretty sure that you're much better than me and can give great advices.

Note: Finding a LP coach is REALLY difficult.

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A few random thoughts while watching it:

1st guy.
On many of the push shots, it looked like you were trying to touch the ball while backing off - that is, your weight was already backwards/moving backwards. It seemed to muck up a lot of these pushes - sometimes into the net, sometimes off the end, sometimes giving him a high ball.

At first he was winning points through a BH loop into you then one a bit wider - you weren't quite moving to it and reaching a bit - but this wasn't very apparent later on.

2nd guy.
His loop technique reminds me of *JC*'s loop
His toss seems really low?
Your successful chop % was lower vs this guy. Caused by a stronger loop. (with a FAR lower success %)
His aggressive style seemed to affect you too - you started swinging too. Against the first guy, your attacking was more, well, precise and restrained.
He received all of your serves on his BH, even if it was middle-ish. You caught him a few times on serve because he wanted to play a BH push but wasn't quite in position.
Your BH chop -> FH switchover mucked up a few times. There was one point near about 19.30 where you could have counterlooped but chose to just touch it.
At the beginning of the match, you were nailing him through backspin. I can't really tell if he got used to the amount of spin or if you let up (due to concentrating more on getting the first chop back), but it strikes me that you could have varied the backspin on the push & forced more errors off his opening loop.

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Here is my 2 cents worth. I only comment to help not to be an arse.

Firstly you are a good chopper but your timing on the short shots is wrong for a chopper, you are taking the ball too ealry. If you rush in to the ball and get it early it will pop up ( as my coach calls it ) and he will attcak you. It is not a case of attacking first it is a case of keeping the timing late and slow. As an other reply said you are leaving the shot before you have finished it. A chopper can take the very low table height or lower is still OK. My coaches says take the ball late and watch the other player you have time and see where he is not!!

Also you are standing up in the short shots, stay down approch the the shot with a low body position and stay low during the shot.

Your wrist position is not correct on the short push shots, you must have your wrist behing the blade not forward or level with the blade, this sound strange but I spend 12 months learning not to do this, so if you lead with the front edge of the blade forst and your wrist behind and strike the ball on the back not the bottom it stays lower and spinnier, hit the ball under neath and it pops up hit the back of the ball and push through it stays low and very spiny.

I did not count but I think you made more mistakes than him, so it was not his attacking but your misses that got the points.

Once he got to loop your ball you were also standing up and very stiff in stance, you have to be relaxed and take the ball later and softer or it will be returned high for killing or float off end of table. ( which it did lots )

I could see you were get frustated and started to attack more but this did not work, start with a game plan and stick to it. I get the grunp if I am losing and do not know why and I attack everything and I never win if I do this so I guess this tactic does not work well??

On the possitive side if you got a good chop in he almost always could not get it back over the net.

Your serves are good

Your foot work is goodish, you could try some hyperflexive moves to help.

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Greggy: Can you clarify exactly which shots you think should be taken later... Do you mean against loops, ie let it drop further and take it below table level?

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I like watching your videos but I keep seeing something that I keep telling my players to fix. You are retreating when hitting or looping too often. You are not planted for the strokes.
I played the best pure chopper I ever played last year (1900+) and was amazed how he would get in position and weight transfer was back to front.
You are moving backwards while stroking too often. There are several times when you would hit one loop on and then be retreating on the second loop and it would go long.
I didn't keep track but would bet 80% of your misses were long, not in the net. This is one of the things I watch for coaching is falling back when looping . It causes the ball to go higher.
If I know I want to loop the next one but not really in position, I will try to get my feet back in stead of falling back.
I can chop pretty well but my game is all out aggression. If I do get pushed off the table I will chop if it gives them trouble but try not to leave the table. When I chop, I try to do the same thing, get my feet back so the weight transfer is into the ball.
Well, these are my thoughts. If I get time, I will watch again and see if I can spot anything else. Let me know if you guys agree with me. There are many players that do well with styles that I don't like and of coarse when I coach, they are getting what I think is correct. Hope my comments are usefull. If you dissagree, thats fine, these are just my thought which you asked for.

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On the video as bogeyhunter took most of the short shots, (like after the other guy pushes the ball back after a heavy chop),very high in the air and early and rushed in to get them. Noramlly lost these points or in trouble with the next ball.

Once you chop and they push this is the most dangerous shot for a chopper to handle ( as I have outlined before ). You need to keep the return low and soft or you will be attacked or you will fluff the ball off the end of the table. Noramlly this return to you is no spin so later later softer softer.

And one ohter thing once Bogeyhunter did a seroius chop he stepped away from the table more than 1 and a half steps, this is a problem because once you get a big chop on, the other guy will have to spin the ball up to get it over the net this ball is always short and spiny. If you leave the table too much you are in S**t, I saw on bogeyhunter VDO that he got caught like this a few times, stepping in to a spiny ball is always hard it will balloon off the end of the table most times. THis is when you have to step in with your left leg and push back the ball with a long no spin return then you are in charge again.

BTW are my comments Ok about this VDO or too critical.

Greggy

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Wow. All are useful comments....Thank a lot.

Please specific which comment for which match coz I really played those 2 guys differently. The first one I tried to take the ball early to give him little time to loop but the second one, I tried to push and then moved away ASAP to prepare to chop but did work coz 1. His loop was too strong for me NOW(I'll fix this) and 2. that was all space I had. I might have chopped better if I had 3-4 foot more space, or not?
Working on the fixing the high stance and stay low but it's HARD to do!!!
"Your BH chop -> FH switchover mucked up a few times. There was one point near about 19.30 where you could have counterlooped but chose to just touch it" - Working on this 2 twice with my practice partner but still not smooth.
Keep your comments coming. I want to know what I need to fix!!!! I have 2 months to tune up my game before big tournament.

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Haha, it did look like you were almost about to step onto the back barrier a couple of times.

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I was only commenting on the second game, you did a nice no spin push back on the on nonleading leg about 11.30 and Look at 11.51 look at the wrist position that is wrong. The wrist is too far forward this angle the ball pop up. 12.00 you took the ball very high and early and you poked it in the net.
12.15 was much better this because the ball came cross court which is easier to play the right shot, if the ball come down the line you have to get your body around more.

Greggy

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Guys.
Thanks for comment.
Do NOT worry about being too harsh or criticism. This's what I ask for.
I don't take EVERYTHING to fix or to correct, same reason why most player have ONE coach. I take what I think is right....the more choices I have = the better off I am. Keep it coming.

"once you get a big chop on, the other guy will have to spin the ball up to get it over the net this ball is always short and spiny. If you leave the table too much you are in S**t, I saw on bogeyhunter VDO that he got caught like this a few times, stepping in to a spiny ball is always hard it will balloon off the end of the table most times" - Yeah...even pro still have this problem.

Tonight I'll try to play those guys again...and will record in better resolution/better quality VDO.

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